We are aware of what's going on in other places in the universe, and we feel a responsibility to help you. It's more than a responsibility. There's an imbalance. We feel it like a wobble—that your parallel is affecting ours.
If you used all the technology you already have, especially HAARP, you could create a whirlpool. This whole part of the universe that we share has many parallels close to each other in space/time. You could suck us all into the whirlpool. And maybe that would go into a black hole and pop out the other side. Everything gets recycled. But we don't find it very pleasant to think we would be totally annihilated by that.
So anyone on our parallel who is interested in the future, and in where we are going collectively, is aware of these rogue parallels that are threatening to destroy us all, unfortunately. Like the one you're on.
It's much more real than, for instance, your scientists being afraid that a meteorite will strike Earth, and getting ready to blow it out of the air if something comes towards you with nuclear weapons or whatever missiles you have. That's silly. We would say pinpoint—when is the meteorite coming? And why don't you talk to it first? (laughs)
But we do see that we cannot tolerate the kind of behavior in our part of the universe that your society seems bent on. It wants to see what would happen. Of course, nobody would be there to see.
Somebody out there wants to be the one to press the button, you know. It would be such a luscious moment for them to have that much power. It's really so silly. I mean, it's really so immature as that, as far as I can tell. I've looked at this a great deal, and I have volunteered to be involved in this cross-cultural, cross-parallel reach-out, because I do think there are a lot of people on your parallel that don't want that to happen. And you are in the position to do the most to turn it around. At least, you were. Now we're questioning that, even. But it cannot be allowed to happen, nonetheless.
So we're pulling you off, but we're still asking you to help with the effort to put the brakes on how fast the ship is going down, and how far it can go down, I guess we'd say. I wasn't going to tell you this right away, but today, in the moment, I feel like you do deserve to know that this is why I'm so interested that I am hosting you. This is why you don't get off into a la-dee-da life now on our parallel. (laughs) We're gonna make you work still.
Let me tell you our standpoint with it. To us it's extremely weird. We do not have penitentiaries. We do not have people that we consider hopeless cases. We don't have extreme mental illness. Sometimes we feel a little blue or a little off, but not like you have. So we're looking to you, and we're really studying how you handle these miscreants that your society has created. First you create them, and then you have to do something with them. We're also studying archetypes, the paradigms, the mass conscious leanings in thoughtforms. At this point on the parallel that you have been on until recently, Cathee, it's amazing what the majority of people think. There's so much despair, it's like the common cold. This we find extremely depressing, actually. Very strange. We just wonder how could this have happened on any parallel. How could it have gotten this bad?
And we're hoping you can help us understand that, so that we can be more effective. You have had a fairly happy life compared to a lot of people. If you look at your world, it's pretty normal not just to be in poverty, but to be starving. It's very strange.
So, we're happy to tell you that not all parallels are like that. But we're also hoping that together we can find some real solutions. Fast. Really fast.
On our parallel, we don't think it's natural for whole parts of the universe to be destroyed just because of some negative thinking. And this is why we feel like it's in the flow of things to turn them around. To prevent we're not sure what. I mean, this is very bizarre. It really doesn't fit any of our knowledge of natural law. To have this human free will thing is very bizarre.
Cathee: I'm curious whether you find this an interesting experiment at all. Or is it just a total waste? Is it just sick?
Jonathan: Well, I've done a lot of soul searching about that. And first of all, I want to say that in no way am I saying you're sick. 'Cause I totally admire anybody who was willing to incarnate there on your parallel. You are our hope. But it is a shared problem.
I am hoping in our interaction to come to some understanding of what the beauty could be in this dark, dark time, on this dark, dark parallel. And I'm certainly open to learning about why it's worth it, and why mass consciousness chose this. And what's going on. I don't know if it's like the bell curve, where if there are really good parallels, there have to be really chaotic parallels where there's a lot of despair in them? That's all I can figure, is the bell curve. And here we are.
Cathee: What percentile would you put your parallel in, in terms of joy and happiness as you look across at many of them?
I'd say we're in the middle. We still have some problems. We still have some temptations and addictions that people fall into. But once they realize they're there, they usually seek help, and don't just think the whole society has to go there to make them feel more comfortable. (laughs) If there's pain, you do something about it here.
I think one of our biggest problems, actually, is a lack of compassion for your parallel. There's a lot of fear and resentment on the part of the people in my parallel who study this and are trying to find a solution. Our conversations can get kind of dark. "Why the heck. . . ." (laughs) We're not always approaching it from the standpoint that we're all in this together, and if there's a dark parallel, it's not their fault—the universe is a collective undertaking. It's more an attitude of having to deal with naughty children. The substitute teacher with the brat in the back row, you know. What do we do? And I use that analogy—yeah, that does happen sometimes on our parallel too (laughs) where somebody's personality really stands out.
But we deal with it differently than you do. We try to show the person respect as we tell them how they hurt us, or how they're disrupting the class. We don't use words like "you're bad" or "I'm going to flunk you" or something. It's "let's come to an understanding of how classrooms have to work, and how people have to get along." We use it as a teaching opportunity if we can. And since we don't have all the chemicals in the foods and the wi fi, it's a lot easier. Basically, our children's brains are intact, unlike yours. Yours are . . . well, I'm getting off on the negative stuff again.
So, we could use more compassion for how you got into what you got into. Teach us. (laughs)
I do feel tremendous compassion for those that I'm working with. I'm working with about five people right now, hoping to bring you all over eventually. I'd rather you stayed there and I could work with you there. But the way things are going, I definitely don't want you there. I mean, I wish it had been that you could have finished out your life there, and we could have worked together, probably in more and more conscious ways. But this seems to be what's happening, and what needs to happen is to get you out. And so I'm very happy to do that. But I have to admit, it will make it a little harder, the fewer point people we have left there. We're going to have to get a lot more creative than we've been. And insert things earlier in time, certainly, to try to change the probabilities.
We're hoping you have some ideas. We really are, Cathee. It's pretty . . . it's not pretty serious. It's dire. And I think you feel it, and we feel it, and here we are. So I'm being very honest.
Cathee: Well, thank you.
Jonathan: But this beautiful green mossy stream exists in both parallels, and I'm sitting here with you, so to speak, in my own parallel. Just kind of reaching through. It makes it easier to talk to you when I'm sitting by the same stream. Really, it is the same stream. It probably exists in the same rough area, but the same kind of stream. And what a nice way to share a day together.
I want to say that a lot stronger, Cathee. About two hundred people are aligned and stay in touch with each other—network—on this project with your particular parallel, that I know of. It's not just that I'm willing to do this. You are our heroes. You are our hope. We tremendously admire you, and we would do almost anything to help you. I know you're wondering why I'm willing to host you and to work with you so closely, when you're the ones coming from the less evolved parallel. (Less evolved in my opinion.) Well, now you know.
I know my own limitations. I haven't worked a lot with your parallel before. I've been at this about five years, maybe, very actively looking at your parallel, and very concerned. Things have really escalated on your parallel in the last five years, your time, which is pretty close to our time. It's all about probabilities, but we've seen the weight thrown to certain probabilities. It's very frightening.
Our whole populace is aware of this work. Yours isn't the only parallel. It's a crucial one, though. Johnny's is also being very carefully monitored, as you can imagine. And it's an incredible boon to have Johnny in you now, and Carolyn very involved. And to have both your parallels being watched, but with a point person who can span both if I can refer to you collectively as a point person that includes both you and Johnny. It's exponentially more effective, I feel, to work from your parallel, which is closer in resonance and understanding to his. And to also have him and Carolyn. She's very involved. She's very concerned. Obviously, she needs out. But even beyond that, I think she has a very good grasp of the bigger picture and her part in it. As does Jackie. I mean, she's not hanging around just to be nice.
I feel that we've got a great team. Every day of my life—and I don't want to rub this in, but—every moment I'm working on this, I'm so grateful that I am not in your shoes! And therefore I'm so willing to host you, and hope we can make you comfortable with a smooth transition. But also, just anything you need. . . . Alright, so I'm not so good at helping you with the money thing. But for anything I can do, I am really at your service. And I think most of the people I know who are working on this project feel exactly the same way.
I suppose it's like putting a man on the moon. When that man takes that first step, he seems so far away. And yet, that man didn't get there by himself. He got there through a whole team, and the whole team is going to be doing anything they can to help him take that step. Maybe that's not the best analogy, but it's how I feel—that none of us is an island, to use a trite phrase. We're all working on this together, to find a happier solution than what seems to be forecasted here. I don't go home at night and forget about you—you know, leave the office and go home and forget about my work. This is my work, yes. But it's also my whole life. It's my purpose. And I think it's yours too. So we have an incredible amount in common in that. An incredible bond.
I want you to know that you are my hero. And all of you, Peter, everybody—you're all my heroes. So know that you're never forgotten. And we will get you out of there in time, and we hope to get the whole parallel out of its predicament in time.
We love you—every one of you that's working on this. We genuinely do.
You know, we are so similar. It's not really that we're that much more evolved. It's just that we've come up with different solutions to some of the same problems, like how to heal a tooth problem, how to heal arthritis. How to govern a group of people, or how they can make agreements among themselves. And it's so bizarre that we've come up with such different solutions.
Johnny: I want to come clean here, and admit that I've been aware of Jonathan for quite some time. Not specifically. Not in telepathic communication like this. But I felt that someone was going to intervene. Even when I was held captive, cloned, I knew there was someone monitoring and watching who wanted to help. I was so keenly aware of that—it was almost as strong as the feeling of Antony being there. I just knew I was not alone, and that someone was monitoring my thoughts and my process. And he felt so close. He was in my head, but not in an unpleasant way—in a very reassuring way. And I am so grateful.
I feel the same way towards him that he just said he feels towards us, that I will do anything for that man. I totally trust him. I think his motives are entirely pure, and intelligent. Conscious. I thought it was like a guardian angel, or something. And maybe you could call him that. I'm delighted to see he's in human form, and that humans can be that beautiful. So the love is mutual.
Cathee: The sun is getting low. I don't want this day to end. Jonathan is looking at me like, how are you taking all this?
I'm feeling guilty that I still want to leap so badly. That I don't now want to stay and go down with the ship, helping while I go down! I'm really tired of living on this parallel. And I appreciate your appreciation of that. But I still want to go so badly.
There are many beautiful moments in my life, like this one, with the stream. But there's a realization behind them, that everything could fall through at any minute. Really, any minute. And I'm sorry to hear I might have that same feeling there. I had hoped there was safety somewhere.
Jonathan: Well, Cathee, what you just said tells me that you need some rest when you get over. You need some rehab. You need to enjoy life before we do anything too big.
You're wondering what my relationship is with the Leapers. We're very close, just like you are with the Leapers. What can I say?
Cathee: How long have you been working with me, Jonathan?
Jonathan: Really not that long. The Leapers have finally kind of made the final match. I mean, I've been working with you longer, but the decision that you would actually end up in my house is fairly recent.
Cathee: We must be very close on a soul level. Was it foreseen that we would meet up?
Jonathan: No, I don't think so. I mean, since everything is now, yes, I guess you'd say that. But when you were born and when I was born—and we're about the same age—I don't think it was as likely that your parallel would go the way it went. I don't know for sure. You'd have to ask the Leapers. But this is truly the Leapers finding the best match at this point, as far as I know.
But I'm happy with it. I really like you. And I think you're a great artist. We should, if not photography, find some very artistic outlet for you, because it's obvious that you love it.
Cathee: The big question. When you look ahead on the probability lines, do you see us succeeding? I mean, how does that work? You probably see a range of probabilities. Are you trying to jump onto the one that does work? Can we really shift things? Can we make it so that there's no parallel that pulls everybody into the black hole? What do you know?
Jonathan: Cathee, I'm working closely with the Leapers, and with other lords of civilization, you might call 'em. With other beings. You could ask them. But I feel like I'm only shown so much, as if there are some things either I'm blocked from seeing, or I can't see for some reason. Maybe I'm not big enough to see the bigger levels. I don't have the perspective, for one thing. You'd almost have to be bigger than your own universe to watch your own universe's demise. And I don't think I'm quite that big in my view, to be able to look down on it and see that. I'm trying to be real honest with you.
I guess I feel that these beings that are greater than me—that see much farther than I see—would not be asking me to do this if it was hopeless. I suppose you could say, well, maybe we're on the parallel where we tried and didn't make it. But obviously we're trying to work back in time. There is no set end. I think maybe the outcome is always open-ended.
We obviously are on a parallel where we're trying to turn things around, working together across parallels. And maybe in the big scheme of things, that is a wonderful development. You know, none of us are going to live forever anyway. Maybe we're on the parallel where that working across parallels thing is really developed, and that helps the whole whether we get sucked into a black hole or not. I mean, a black hole is just a black hole. It's not the end of the world. It is for us, but only as separate selves.
So I don't know how to answer that. I just feel deep in my heart that this is very worth doing, whatever it does for the world. I'm not against death, and I realize that probably since everything else dies, whole universes die at times. Maybe the Leapers would talk about this sometime. I just feel in my heart that it's worth doing. It's interesting. There's a lot of love in it. I'm getting to meet you. And it's kind of exciting. So who cares what the outcome is? Let's do it. Let's put our whole hearts into it. And I think if we do that, probably we'll have a good outcome.
Now, if you're wondering if there'll be some suffering along the way, I don't know. (laughs) It's very possible. But I hope you'll enjoy my home, OK?
John: Cathee, I grew up with two assassinations in the family. And I don't think there are ever any givens that you're going to live long. You just have to be here now. Find your happiness. Find a love in your life, and give it all you got. And that's what I'm ready to do. I don't need any assurance that we'll succeed. I don't know how I ended up here on this parallel, but here we are. And so let's live it. Let's live it.
Cathee: Thank you.
Jonathan: Cathee, you're so much like me. I'd be asking the same questions you're asking. I think it's remarkable how much we're alike. I think we'll get along fine. Really well, in fact.
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