Note: When this channeling took place, Peter and Cathee realized they had been negatively corded while assisting Kari in working with her parallel self Karyn the night before. They asked the Leapers for help in removing those cords, and in understanding the situation better.
Cathee: It's an hour after solstice. We're tuning into solstice in California. (laughs)
Leapers: These particular cords do come from the Alan-Al gang. They really don't want you to reach Karyn. Al sounded nice when you talked to him last spring, but it's not like he had a conversion experience. (laughs) He's still with his superiors. And Karyn's still corded like crazy by him.
Karyn is probably going to have to slowly learn to trust Kari with Jonathan, and then let herself be corded by Jonathan, to really leap there. We don't see that she can heal herself and be filled in, and then just freely choose to go to Jonathan's parallel. So it's very touchy, because how does she know that Jonathan's any more trustworthy than Al is?
To freely walk over to Jonathan's parallel world without getting corded and transplanted by him with us, you'd have to match the vibration of his world. And you're not going be able to do that on your own. It's going to take a lot of love between you and Jonathan. He said you're like a baby that he's helping to bring into the world there. People are extremely corded up with their children. And "cord" is, again, kind of a weird word that sounds like a rope with knots or something. We want a better word for this process. Because it's not a bad thing when someone's close to their baby and feels an etheric connection to them. That's like the level we're talking about. Would you say that John walking into Cathee was a cording experience? Well, in a lot of ways it was. She's seen his silver cord that used to connect to his body now connecting from his astral body to her body. Maybe that's where that word came from. That does seem like a cord, even though it's like a spring cord that can go way out and way in again.
When we say that we are moving someone to a new parallel world. . . . You've seen it from this side when the nature spirit Mud was offering to help make room for an incarnation of Carolyn on your parallel. Well, that's what's happening on Jonathan's parallel, that room is being made for you—accommodations in the land's consciousness for your birthing there. You happen to be taking your own body, but it's going to be transmuted. We know Cathee's banking on naturally curly thick hair (laughs) and some health problems cleared up. So you don't want to take exactly the same blueprint, but a similar enough one that it's got a lot of wisdom, as we keep saying. Memories. Not the trauma, but the memories. The experience.
If you think of your etheric body as being corded to your physical body, it will now be corded to a physical body that has a different vibration than the vibration your present one has. That new body will be able to handle the food and breathe the air in the new parallel world, which will be a little bit different than yours. The magnetism there is a little different. It has a different spin.
Jonathan tells you that he does manage to change his vibration enough to sometimes visit different parallel worlds physically. But he'd rather not do it that way. As long as he has you here, why does he have to come here, you know? (laughs)
Cathee: I think he's working very closely with us, but he doesn't have to sit beside us on the floor to do that.
Leapers: We don't know another word to use but cord. We guess it's the same thing, whether it's a negative use or a positive use of it. Maybe we just need to get across to people that cording can be a good thing.
We need to cord Karyn. But of course, we need for her to understand these things and trust us, which may be no small process. Don't expect this to happen overnight. When you were talking to her yesterday, that was not the Karyn-in-a-body's conscious mind. That was dream state. That was altered consciousness. And that has to trickle back into her conscious mind, preferably. So that's part of being somewhat of a guide to her. Your guides have always worked with both states of consciousness. That's what the channeling state is, is trying to make conscious what happens in other states. Thank goodness for channeling.
You also are being corded by Jonathan. And thank goodness, because that gives you a safety net in that you know he can reach you, as long as he's strongly corded to you. If you get in trouble, he's gotcha. He can find you. He can pull you out. It's extremely important to have networks of people who love you and who are willing to do that for you.
Cathee offered to be that for Karyn yesterday. She volunteered all of us, and told Karyn to call on us when she needs us. And maybe Cathee's feeling some of the weight of that today as well.
Jonathan: OK, this is my limited understanding. Parallels are separated in part by underlying assumptions, and on our parallel, we've not had the emphasis on the good/bad polarity. Part of why that's been played up on yours is because of your religions. Once the Church took off with the sinner thing. . . . (laughs) If you look in history, there were religions that preceded Jesus that were very into the good/bad paradigm, which got mixed in with Judaism and became Christianity. It didn't have to go that way—so extreme like it is in Christianity, which made the nature spirit Pan into the devil.
The good/bad polarity is not a strong concern on our parallel. Not just bad—evil, as a strong force in and of itself. I suppose it's probably here, because we are in polarity. But we have been more interested in exploring other things. Nature/human is very big here. And male/female is big here, but in a more balanced way than on your parallel. If there's Freudian penis envy on your parallel (we don't really talk about this, but) it's more likely that we have womb envy here. Men love their kids so much that they wish they could have had them in their bodies. (laughs) It's more that way.
When we talk about vibrationally bringing you over, you've got to match the vibration here at least somewhat to even recognize yourself as you will be re-created to be here. Cathee, you're feeling like the teachings you've received the last ten years sound exactly like our parallel, especially all you've learned about how to relate to nature. Yes, you are pretty in alignment with us. And that's why I don't even feel the need to necessarily bring you over physically before seeing you as just an equal co-teacher, and sending you out to help other parallels. I mean, you're one of us. I've always said that. I just feel like you're one of us.
I'm not used to people who are very into the good/evil polarity. We don't have to deal with it here that much. But Malaemata and I have told you we're very concerned about a dark energy that's seeping into our parallel. So it seems that we're going to have to deal with good/evil.
Johnny, as he was talking so eloquently last night about his cloning, said he felt like he went into the heart of evil and surrendered to it, and came out the other end of it, beyond the polarity. And Karyn responded that she hadn't really gone into it totally. She's still fighting it.
I've been thinking about this. I sincerely like Karyn. And I admire her for going where it's difficult to go, for the sake of all of us, really. But I'm wondering if people who are very wrapped up in the good/evil paradigm would really even be comfortable here. Are we their heaven? Their destination, really? I shouldn't say are we their "heaven." I don't want to reinforce that strange notion. (laughs) But would they miss that archetype? And do I really need to gear up and learn how to deal with sinister spirits? That seems a step away from my usual work of seeing how things need to go archetypally. That's my passion. My passion is dealing with archetypes, not dealing with sinister spirits. (laughs) And observing parallels, and seeing how I can help people.
John has lived his life many times. And each time we tweak it so that he makes a different decision early in life. Then sometimes we end up with unforeseen new things happening that throw us off, and sometimes he ends up traumatized some other way. And then we have to go back and try to work it again. It's very creative. I mean, why live many lives if you can just live one over and over, right? (laughs)
Johnny is intimately working with evil spirits—Al types and whomever is behind him that's not even human necessarily. So I am involved in that with Johnny, and have been for these many versions of the same life. I guess you'd say there are many versions of me that have been helping.
Anyway, I'm not giving you truths here. I'm working through my own thoughts about this, and I appreciate your comments. Peter and Cathee, you've done space clearings together since you first met, in which you've had to engage even demons. But my main interest is in understanding the underlying theology of your parallel, and how that sets up vibrationally. And there's a very big fascination with the good/evil polarity there.
Are Kari and Karyn interested theologically in this so much? And are Alan and Al wanting to understand that whole polarity? Because if you look at it as a polarity, you can free yourself from it. You can step out of it eventually. You can just say, "I don't want to play the good/evil polarity any more. I'm more interested in something else."
We think you're going to discover polarities in our world that you didn't have much consciousness of. When you get into the subtleties of nature/human communication, it gets pretty interesting—you're already discovering that. You've barely touched into discovering the subtleties of someone being a good mirror for you, and the whole idea of selfhood is very big here. We explore that all the time.
I'm not clear on whether Karyn wants to win in the good/evil thing, or wants to transcend it—you know, see it. Would she be comfortable outside of it? I know that sounds almost heartless. Kari has said outright that she wants peace—wants to let go of that game. I'm not sure Karyn's there. But when you're so in it, how can you even see that it's possible to just drop it? And so for me to cord someone like that and bring them over here, where that paradigm's not big—would she even want to come? I know she wants her pain to stop. And everybody wants love.
Peter: What else is there for her to do? What are Karyn's options? She has to go somewhere out of what she's in, in order to heal. Is there another parallel version and another Jonathan that are more aligned with Karyn, that she might be able to go to?
Cathee: Or not even another Jonathan, but somebody else or something else. There are infinite parallels. And I do think Kari and Karyn are in our soul family, definitely. So we're all asking, Leapers, do you have perspective on this?
Leapers: At this point, Kari is like Karyn's Jonathan. Kari has the power to cord her and bring her over to where Kari is. And if Kari wants to move on to Jonathan's parallel, she's probably got to at least get Karyn that far.
Cathee: Like I think maybe you, Peter, had to get your parallel self Pete at least over to you, before he could go on.
Leapers: So that's what we're focused on right now. In this process of Kari cording Karyn and pulling her over—and Kari dropping her resistance to Karyn coming over, maybe both of those things—we'll see who they'll become, and how they'll feel about everything. We think you could see some big transformation there, when Karyn finally makes it to Kari.
Peter: Based on what I went through with Pete being in me for a few weeks before he went on to Jonathan's parallel, I would project that that could be hard for Kari. Pete came to me numbed out, with an underlying anger at his society. The intense burning, itchy rash that cropped up on my chest didn't let up until he leapt on.
Cathee: Karyn coming over could be hard on Kari's nervous system, like she's mentioned.
Leapers: Yes, it's difficult, because Kari isn't in good shape right now.
We think a lot of Kari's fascination with good/evil has been because she has a parallel self who is really caught in it. Once she gets Karyn back in and integrated somewhat, she may feel entirely different about that. It's understandable that that's what she's focussed on, because that's what she's been living. Jonathan, are you with that?
Jonathan: That makes sense. And that answers the question of whether we should just bring Karyn over. Keep me in touch with the situation.
Leapers, could you answer my question in general about, should we brace and prepare ourselves for a lot of people interested in good/evil to come here? Or will they just not come here? Maybe they'll go somewhere else?
Cathee: Since Kari and Karyn are in our nature/human hybrid soul family, is it just that they were willing to sacrifice enough to go and be in those good/bad kind of places, as a way of nature holding the stage for that exploration? And now we're withdrawing support. That's what the Leapers have always said. So when we pull them out of good/bad, then good/bad will fall apart, hopefully. But maybe they've gotten so contaminated by being in those places, they've forgotten what our soul family's like. I think part of Karyn's pain is that she doesn't belong there, but she finds herself there.
Jonathan: I like that idea.
Leapers: We told you in the group last year that we don't find good/bad all that interesting. And yes, you're right, we've also said nature/human soul families are holding the matrix for humans to explore that, and now we're saying your civilization has taken that paradigm too far. Really, this whole question that's centering around Karyn has a lot to do with the experiment that we've been a part of with you for aeons, but have been talking about with you for a year and a half. Maybe under your question, Cathee and Peter, is that it's hard for you to imagine a parallel where there's good and bad, and everybody who enjoys that kind of thing is really enjoying themselves with it. (laughs) But unfortunately, we think that's what's happening on your parallel. Why would your parallel decide to explore it to the nth degree if they weren't enjoying it?
At the last meeting of an environmental group that Peter belongs to, there was a film shown on many ecological problems. There are people who are interested in those kinds of issues who are really wanting to bring things back into balance. And then there are people who thrive on getting upset and blaming. They seem addicted to struggle, as if they might be bored without it. Struggle is a huge part of their life. The lawsuits. Ask Jonathan—is there anything like lawsuits on your parallel?
Jonathan: We don't get it. If you have a problem with someone, you talk to them. You sit around and try to work it out in your community, but not use some abstract law that supercedes everybody's common sense. (laughs)
Cathee: Is our book applicable to people who aren't in our soul family?
Leapers: Probably not. (laughs) A lot of it probably isn't. They're just not going to be interested in it. They're just not going to get it. Likewise, even in seminary, Cathee never did understand the theology of morality. To her it's either, are you close to oneness or are you not—not are you good or evil, as in original sin. Original sin is kind of the epitomy of evil. "You were born that way. You were born evil." (laughs) "And you need saving. Jesus came to save you from your own evil that you were born with."
Peter: God created us evil?
Cathee: Oh, that's Christianity. That's Catholicism. That's why you have to give all your money to the priest.
Peter: What is a God who creates everybody evil?
Cathee: Exactly. (laughs) Exactly.
Peter: I don't get it.
Cathee: Matthew Fox wrote a book I read in my twenties called Original Blessing on how in one Genesis story in the Bible, Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden, so their children were born in pain from then on. So they were born sinners. But there are two creation stories in Genesis, and the other one says nothing about good and evil. Just that God created the world in seven days. And Fox says the second story shows not original sin, but original blessing. We were originally blessed. But he got silenced by the Pope for that view. So, what does that say about the Catholic Church—which version they like? That's where their power comes from. "You were born a sinner. We'll save you. We'll bless you if you give us your power." So, yes, it's a creepy parallel we're in, where this has taken hold. I don't think Buddhism went that way, but obviously there's still plenty of focus on good and evil in non-Christian parts of the world too. So yes, Leapers, how did we get here anyway? (laughs) It's such a silly world.
Leapers: You can probably assume that anybody who is drawn to your work is soul family. Nobody else would really . . . (laughs). And other people may get pretty upset about it, because you're really saying that good/evil is just a boring paradigm. It's not the all-encompassing reality. People who are from human morality-oriented soul families will not like that. They will not like that. They'll think you're evil.
Cathee: So I guess we've decided to help Kari bring Karyn over to her, and play it from there, right? How about Al? Do you still want him to leap?
Jonathan: I don't really want him to leap here. (laughs) It might be my lack of faith of what can be done. Leapers?
Leapers: We're getting now into the instinct for survival. This is really touchy, but we see we need to talk about it. We have said that we want some people to survive and be able to leap, and bring their experience with them to another parallel from which they can safely send love. We have said that we would like all however many millions of our soul family to leap. But we know they won't all come, most likely.
You've also heard us say, we don't have a problem with death. Especially when you multiply the number by parallel selves, of course some of our soul family are going to die. Some of your own parallel selves have died. We've even said that we may split off a parallel self of you that jumps to Jonathan's home, and then one of your selves may die here. Death isn't the problem, really. This is a particular experiment of leaping, and it's not about saving people from death. Someday on Jonathan's parallel you will die. It's not immortality. It's not heaven, even though you've been playfully calling it that, because in contrast to where you are, it is. We understand that. We're not going to dispute that. (laughs) 'Cause we don't even know what heaven means anyway.
But see, the tricky thing is, for our purposes of understanding the archetypes and setting new ones for the new age, someone like Al may be really, really valuable in that. Someone who's been in the thick of the old ones? My gosh, he's been in the thick of them. Some of the perpetrators have been in them as much as the victims.
Now, is Al inherently evil? Here we are playing with that theology again. Can he drop the good/evil polarity and decide that love is a beautiful thing? He tells you he thinks he's loving. He thinks he loves the people he clones. He thinks he has a deep intimacy with them, and he actually does have a deep intimacy with them. And is that a different kind of cording, really, than what Jonathan is doing when he cords you to bring you over? Is it just that Jonathan is much more spiritually mature and loving than Al, but the action is very similar? This is what you haven't wanted to think about too much, Cathee and Peter, because you're still creeped out by the whole idea of cording. And we understand that, because you don't feel good when Al cords you, as you were reminded this morning (laughs) when you discovered, oh darn, he got us again.
But if you were Al, and you had Karyn corded up pretty good still. (Even though she's no longer cloned, she's still corded.) And someone comes and says to her, "We want to free you and heal you. We want to take you to a much better parallel, and bring you to wholeness with your parallel self Kari." We think Al's cords on you are not all because he wants to use you and suck you dry. We think he wants you to take him too! We really do.
Normally we've been saying, now should Jonathan cord Karyn, because that's how he would get her there. Well, does it go the other way? Have you been cording Jonathan yourselves, Cathee and Peter, saying, "I want to go. Cord me up. Don't let go." Do your cords meet in the middle like a handshake, like "hold onto me"—one hand reaching down, and one hand reaching up? We'd say in your case, that's how it looks, is "please." (laughs) And on some level, this is a process that's been going on for years, with every decision you've made with allies who are also on Jonathan's parallel. All your allies on his parallel are pulling up your allies here. Daisy's been very explicit that, "I'm leaping with you." Columbine has said, "You need me. It's much better if we go together." So you've got all that action pulling you there, actually.
So, Al—who can blame him? Maybe it's appropriate that he wants to come. And really, if you have to explain it, he is doing something rather similar in his cording. He's just not a very mature spirit. But he's been a very brave spirit to have been willing to play the part he's played in the game.
Peter: But my good/bad mind thinks that he wants to come only to spy. Or to capture.
Leapers. We'd like to talk to him. Al, are you there?
Al: I'm angry. I don't think you guys realize that first of all, to call someone a victim implies that they haven't on some level agreed to it. And maybe it's like you've just been talking about, that some people are so into the good/bad paradigm—which includes the victim, the martyr, the rescuer, the hero, all that—that they're caught in it just like I am. You know, what role can we play here? There's only a limited choice.
In other words, victims would probably tell you "no, I didn't choose to be a victim." But if their mindset is a victim mentality, they're choosing it, because that's how they see the world. And so, if you're a victim, I'd say you probably want the most loving captor you can have, who cares about you. (laughs) And I've told you, I do care about these people. I consider my cording them an intimacy.
I'm not clear on how that differs from what you're talking about with Jonathan cording you over. And I resent your saying my spiritual maturity is so small. I think what we've managed to do in developing cloning to such an extent is quite an amazing achievement. I mean, I have to be a genius, really, to be able to be in two bodies at once. How is that different than Jonathan's bilocation? We're very similar, I think.
And when the Leapers say that I want to come too—I do see that it's probably much more pleasant on Jonathan's parallel. Ours is horribly polluted, and kind of decrepit. If Cathee and Peter were to come here, and I think they could pretty easily make a visit—we're close enough in vibration—I think to you it would feel like things are not kept up here. There's not as much money. The paint's old on buildings. Even government buildings haven't been kept up. Things are just dingier-feeling. You don't see as many happy people.
On your parallel, from what I can tell, it's like fake happy. The advertisements have fake happy people in them, and everybody's wearing all those fashions. But there's a vibrancy to that. There's a feeling of prosperity. And here it's like—well, Johnny told Cathee that Carolyn is interested in fashion, but she doesn't import fabrics from France like Jackie did. That would be frowned on. We're more communist really, where nobody should stand out too much, even in the way they dress, because you don't want to look like you have a lot more money than somebody else. Because there isn't enough. On your parallel, people don't worry about there not being enough. They flaunt their disparity in income.
Sure I want to go. Jonathan's parallel is beautiful, from what I can see. And I like you guys. I know you're very resentful of me, but I liked talking to you that day in the national park. I like Kari.
Peter: Al, can you say what your intention is, or at least that of the ones you work with, in terms of why you clone people?
Al: Well, I was just thinking. I know you think I'm very ego-based. And I suppose that's true. I mean, I can see that I'm an ego-maniac narcissist. (laughs)
Peter: But aren't you part of a larger organization that wants to have power?
Al: Yes. And like I told you before, it's nebulous who else is in that. They're not transparent even with me about who's really in control. I get my marching orders, and I do them. And if they're things I want to do anyway, then I feel fine about it. I say "I" cord people, but. . . . You felt that Alan's cords came through him, not really from him, like there was somebody else behind the scenes. I feel that way too.
Peter: It seems like the cording comes out of different intentions, with Jonathan and Al.
Al: Yeah, and maybe I don't even know the intention behind what runs me. I'm not sure what Jonathan would say about what runs him. I would be interested in hearing. This is what scares me the most. In Johnny's conversation with Karyn yesterday, Johnny said, "I think the evil that comes through is not even human. It's beyond human." It really scared me to hear that. I have always assumed that there were humans . . . kind of like Peter, in the cult you were in. You had the healers, but you all felt that the cult leader's power was coming through the healers. They were just his middle managers. So that's what I always assumed, that there's somebody who feels similar to the way I do about cords. Obviously I'm corded by them, and then I cord other people. But when Johnny said maybe it's just some evil force coming through that's not even human—that makes me shake.
So as I'm speaking, I'm thinking out loud. I guess we're all allowing ourselves to do that here in this council meeting. I'm wondering if I have taken some of the principles of our soul family of merging, of symbiosis, and tried to live them in the world of good/evil, assuming that my superiors were also soul family in those paradigms. When really they may not be at all. So when you ask for motives, Peter, I think my motives have been not that different from seeking oneness, seeking merging, like nature does. But I'm wondering if what's coming through me is different.
To me it seems like, how can the universe have such differences, if there's one universe? And Jonathan, this is where I'm curious to hear from you—since I've only been part of one parallel—whether indeed one parallel can be so totally different from another. And if I am a nature-human hybrid stuck in a world of good and evil, what the heck am I doing here? I'll be mad as hell if you just leave me here.
I like what the Leapers have said—that we've been undergirding the whole game, and we can pull out and the game will fall apart. If I came here for the sake of our soul family to do this, then you'd better get me out! I mean, that's only reasonable. I'm really in not much different of a situation than Karyn is. You say, oh poor Karyn, she's a victim. Well, I think whatever Karyn is, is what I am. We are both in the same game here. And I'm corded up too, you know.
When I say I truly love her, I think there's truth to that. But if my love is draining to her like a vampire or something, I can't step outside of my situation to see what an alternative is. I don't know what it feels like to not be in a system of straws, like the cult Peter was in, where the leader was strawing everybody, and everybody was strawing everybody. You tell me, what else is there?
And then I hear that Jonathan cords people to get them to his parallel. It seems like the same kind of thing. And when a baby's born, like you were saying, Leapers, there's a cord. And a walk-in has a cord. What else is there, and why does Jonathan seem to have more joy than the rest of us? I really want to know. And I think Alan really wants to know too. We're very close.
Jonathan: Al, you seem more ready to leap than Karyn does. You don't seem as broken.
Leapers: We covered a lot of information last year, about how we've got to get people out before they get numbed out. And before they get twisted by their environments to where they can't really see much any more. Cathee was just wondering, would we trust Al on Jonathan's parallel? No, you shouldn't trust him. He's grown up in a very twisted society. And so have you, Cathee and Peter. After Pete leapt, he wasn't allowed to just roam the streets until he'd been through an intense healing phase. And he still seems a bit dazed by and wary of the loving culture there.
Is there enough there that if we start working with the strong imprints, the trauma. . . . We would call it trauma that creates monsters. You know that. You've read statistics in your culture that a large percentage of the people in prisons came from homes where they were beaten or abused somehow.
Al, we do think that you are material for a leap. (We're sounding objective, but it's not that you're an object.) The thing we see in the way is your pride. Your ego. You said it yourself. Would you have the humility and the trust to undergo a tremendous amount of reprogramming and reconditioning, to where you would be able to exist on Jonathan's parallel? Would you even recognize yourself? We think it's possible, but you would have to be totally committed to it. And totally trusting that we know what we're doing. You sit with that.
We want to remind everyone here that it's even beyond us, where this whole thing is headed. It involves what you call Divine Will and the evolution of this part of the universe. We're just doing our best, trying to bend gracefully with the winds of fate. We're trying to stay alert and facilitate this communication, but really what needs to happen is so much bigger than any of us.
Peter: Jonathan, do you know what your motivations are, or if you're just acting under divine guidance in performing your tasks and abilities the best way you can?
Cathee: Or are you just a middleman too, for something bigger?
Jonathan: That's a very good question. The only way I can answer it is not theologically, but is just by saying I think I know the feeling of when there's love present between me and a nature being, or between me and a human being. That's what I call God. That's what I want to be in the flow of. I think I know the feeling also of cording without love. And I would say that's what Al's doing, although I know he thinks differently. But if what he's doing is love, it's love without respect for the other person. And I feel like I know the difference. I could be wrong, but I feel like I know when love is there. It's bigger than me and the other person. It's the glue of the universe, as far as I'm concerned.
Cathee: I feel like I'm negotiating for a hostage release. Kari told me that something attacked her recently. What was that? The image I got was of a rubber band going through a tube, and on one end is Al or whoever was cording her, and then there's Kari on the other end of the rubber band trying to get away and leap. And the more she stretched that rubber band, the more when she finally went too far, it snapped back and whacked her. Kari has been protecting herself, but does protection really work if you're corded already? Al, are you cording her still? What's going on?
Al: You're gonna pin me if I talk to you about this! (laughs)
Cathee: Al, would you rather maintain your system, or would you rather be able to leap? Hey, you've gotta come clean if you're gonna come clean anyway. And your chances may not be many that we will talk to you.
Al: We can't let people go. Johnny told you that HAARP caused the Earth to have to accommodate it and accommodate it, shift and shift, to where now if we turned HAARP off entirely, the Earth couldn't rebalance itself. Well, you know how your organizational charts look in corporations. There are many people at the bottom. You have those little lines between the boxes, showing the middle managers, top administrators, etc. It's a corporate mentality based on a certain geometrical structure—you could say, of a pyramid. And if you see that as a pyramid, you can't take out the cornerstones and not have the whole thing fall apart. You have to hang onto your people. If I started to suddenly let go of people like Kari and Karyn, and we weren't getting the network supply of energy, of consciousness even—if we were no longer a whole organism, well, after awhile. . . .
I'm just talking, OK? Don't judge me for this. I'm trying to talk to you. I'm trying to communicate. But the way we think of it is like an organism. And since I have felt some affection from Kari—my gosh. Look. She was crazy about Alan. You know, she was in love with the guy. We did not get feedback that she was fighting this. She sought us out as much as we sought her out. Would you not say that's true?
Al: Family is the same thing—it's got all sorts of ambiguities and love/hate kinds of relationships. But a family is a family. And there's a certain amount of continuity and support there, for everybody. And I suppose if you take that far enough, you'd say in a slave society, the slaves are part of the society. I know the moral ambiguities get less ambiguous the more you talk like that. But you do have structures in society. And that's why it's so hard to change society. You have to change both the slaves' minds about it as well as the masters' minds about it.
So we have a structure, and we have supply networks, and we have relationships. And if I let go of people like Kari, the whole thing could crumble, and it would be very uncomfortable for everybody. Except for Kari, maybe.
When you find yourself in the middle of this whole big structure. . . . I think it happens in politics all the time, that someone will come in with rational arguments, for instance of why uranium mining is bad for the environment, and you should stop. But then everybody says, well, we're used to having electricity in our homes, and a lot of it comes from nuclear. And we can't overnight turn off the electricity, just because we're out of coal. And so you start compromising, compromising, compromising. There's some weighing of, is it really worth the chaos of the whole thing tumbling, when you've built it that way? You've built it that your computers run on electricity. You know, if you hadn't come up with computers in the first place, you probably wouldn't care that much. The way I see it, that is how things work even in networks such as the one I'm a part of.
Now, I'll admit to you, since you're my dear soul family sister, that what I was doing did bother me. I've been very, very curious about everything you've been doing this year. And as Johnny has said, there is no privacy even if you're no longer cloned. I read your mind easily, even past conversations. Let me tell you what's bothered me the most of what I've heard you talk about. I was listening, Cathee, when Johnny told you on the way back from the lily pond that he felt that it wasn't even a dignified evil force that was cloning people. It was a bunch of adolescent-minded kid types who were just doing it on a joy ride. You know, "Let's do it just for the heck of it. Let's throw some power around. We don't care what the consequences are to society." Boy, that made me really mad to hear that. (laughs) And I have sat with that. And I have actually done some—yes, I'm capable of introspection—over whether that was true. Is that why I was doing it, just for the fun of it? I know when I talked to you in the Park, I came across like, we're doing this partly because we care about the people we're cloning and cording, but also just to see what we can do.
I think it's come from a deeper place in me than that. But on the other hand, I do feel very cynical about government, and maybe that's what he was talking about. I do feel very cynical about the supposed old-fashioned virtues that everybody parrots, especially in their election campaigns, but I don't know if anybody really believes. If anybody really believes. Like Ted Kennedy says in his book that God, family and country are the pillars which hold him up. I am a little cynical about all of them, I have to admit. So maybe I am like that.
Cathee, you're of a similar age to me astrologically, of the Pluto in Virgo generation. The dark side of our generation is efficiency without an overarching meaning. I think we who are cloning public officials and everything—we're looking for efficiency. And like I told you before, and I think this is genuine, if we clone enough people and have a central—you call it control—I would say a central organization of consciousness, that's a community of sorts. Then you don't have all the huge conflicts between people. They cooperate. (laughs) And it runs like an anthill does. The ants aren't always questioning where they should go, and what they should do. There's a beauty to that. Ants are extremely efficient.
As Johnny told you, our society is even worse than yours in environmental destruction. And he said that he was working towards, and our world seemed more accepting of, diplomacy and cooperation between countries. Because we all knew that the old way of war and dissension was not working. You know, the tariff wars, and the whole threatening that we have a bigger army than you do, so therefore we can take your land or your oil. That just was not a good experiment. It was leading to environmental disaster.
I suppose if we have an ideology behind what we're doing, it may be a little bit like communism was, that there should be a strong central authority that can coordinate everything and decide what factories are built or not built. Capitalism was duplicating all sorts of things. That just guarantees that you're going to have winners and losers, even on the stock market. And sometimes in the name of not having a monopoly, you've got all these cell phone companies putting up their own towers. And you don't need all those towers. And somebody's going to lose. Then, whether they have to sell their towers or take them down, it's such a waste.
So in some ways, I think what we're trying to do in consciousness is an experiment in group mind. I don't see that as having any less good will behind it than capitalism. Now, maybe we are a bit controlling of people's consciousness, but I feel no more than capitalism was controlling of the resources of the planet. Maybe it didn't have to turn out that way, but that's what happened. Corporations owned the resources. And don't tell me that's not true in your parallel.
Our parallels are not that different. I didn't split off from Alan, and John and Johnny didn't split apart, until we were adults. So the ways the two parallels went were somewhat based on their different reactions to the same event leading up to their split, of corporations taking over the world. That's been happening for decades.
I guess you could say I've gotten involved in this consciousness experiment (which of course, is going on in your parallel too) maybe not that differently than someone seeing their options and getting involved in a corporation. I don't wanna starve in the ghetto. Beat 'em or join 'em, you know? You get involved in what seems to be valued and working in your society. And even though it's covert (as democracy continues with elections) I don't think the secret government would exist if people didn't allow for it. I really don't.
OK, put it this way. You have a system of so-called democracy, in terms of votes in this country. And you all know that many elections are very corruptly rigged. Some through mind control, actually, if not violence and misleading people and the ballots being counted wrong. As well as the Supreme Court being corrupt in deciding these cases. We've all seen that. Likewise, people who join a corporation, if they're talented, usually rise. They try to get to the top if they feel like that is the form, which it is in our world, of power and staying alive.
I grew up on the streets of a gigantic city. My brother was murdered. That gives you perspective on trying to learn the system. The system I learned was being able to psyche out the bullies before they hit you. And then I just took that to a bigger level of really psyching people out. I'm good at it. But I've been part of this mega-corporation, you might say, of mind control. And I haven't felt bad about it, because it's been obvious that—well, like the Leapers say, on some mass consciousness level, it has been allowed to grow. I think everybody on some level has been feeding it, or it would not exist.
And since it did exist, and I managed to get into it—or it managed to suck me in, however you look at it—it's hard to imagine being powerful outside of it. And since I was talented, I wanted to go as high in it as I could.
Now, I'm trying to talk to you as cordially as I can. But I have to admit, I get very upset with the moral judgment energy I feel from you. You have a relative who spends her working life designing missile systems to effectively kill people and their families in other countries. I know you judge her too, but I think you have more judgment of me because I cloned a president. Is it really any better for her to be part of a corporation that's killing people? "For the purposes of U.S. defense"—well, what's that? You know, "She's protecting the country." Come on, give me a break. By killing Iraqi families? I don't know that in talking to her you would have quite the same level of. . . .
Cathee: Well, of course not, 'cause Johnny's my walk-in, and you happen to have cloned him. If I had a walk-in who was an Iraqi, then I probably would have the same amount of judgment towards what she's doing.
Al: OK. OK, I'll concede that.
Cathee, the difficulty in this is that I feel like I really do love Johnny, and this is what confuses me. I feel like I know him as intimately as you do. Maybe not more. But I feel like I know the man and love the man. And you're telling me my love for him is wrong. And he's . . . I can feel him just hitting the ceiling here.
But I'm saying, I think another problem with our culture is the impersonalization of commerce. People are just a consumer statistic, as far as corporations are concerned. And the Earth is just a statistic in how many resources that we can consume are left, and who gets them—who gets the market share. The impersonality is everywhere. You know, you talk to a machine if you talk to a credit card or software company, at least at first. And that is so different from our "cult"—is what you would call it. (I do think it's very similar to Peter's former cult's organization of consciousness.) I feel like it's much more personal than all that. And in that sense, I can't help but think that what you would call this pseudo-love that I feel for those that I've corded, or even cloned. . . . Cloned is not a very accurate word. I wish there was a different word, but we'll go with it. It sounds like genetic cloning, and this is so different than that, I don't want people to be confused. But anyway, I think there's more love in what I have been doing than there is in a typical corporation, which is what rules your world in terms of power. At least in my perception.
I am a part of your government. These corridors of power that I walked as pseudo-Johnny—pseudo-President John John (laughs)—are dealing a lot more with corporate lawyers and lobbyists than they are dealing with the everyday person. And the everyday person works for a corporation now anyway, at least on my parallel. Even farmers now are corporations. Who isn't, besides a few renovators like Peter? Or government officials who are, you know, part of the game.
You might say, I got in the branch of power in this country that had at least pseudo-love, if not real love. There was some intimacy there, at least. It wasn't just, sit at that desk and type on the computer all day, and that's life. Which is what it is for many people. Those are the sweatshops now, the people that work for internet-based companies. The people in India sitting at a computer all day putting ads up. Sweatshops. Cathee you saw photos in a magazine of long rows of people working at back-to-back computers. You can imagine the EMFs in those sweatshops. And they're usually old computers left over from the U.S., not the latest low-EMF models, either. They're horrible conditions. And after you've been there all day—and you know what that's like to work on a computer all day, with the old style monitors especially—you can't think. You can't think for yourself. You're dead spiritually.
So that makes people yes, easy prey for someone like me, I will admit. They don't even know what their spirit feels like to begin with, let alone know if somebody's probing around in there and cording them. Even if they weren't corded, they would feel miserable. In fact, cording may give them the only sense of connection they feel. (laughs)
It reminds me too of multi-level marketing companies, of how much they talk about love and caring about each other. But really, they're just trying to make money off of each other. And even how much they say they care about the environment, but really they're just trying to make a lot of money off of everything. But to them, it may legitimately feel like this is love. My boss loves me. My supplier. My next person up the pyramid loves me. And there may be some love there. I mean, love has always been mixed in with families, and there have always been survival issues and competition there. What John's uncle Ted named God, nation and family as his support—all three of those have always been very politicized entities. Religion especially.
So in this case, you're saying let go of Karyn. I feel like you're telling me with your wonderful idealism that, like say I'm a manager in a company that makes gizmos for nuclear power plants. And you come and you tell me, "We have a vision of the future. And we can tell that a nuclear plant that has your gizmos in it is going to hurt thousands of people when there's a leak in the gizmo down the road, because there's an earthquake. So therefore, I want you to suddenly let go of all your workers and stop making the gizmos immediately." And yes, I know, I know, I cloned a president. That's a different level of power than being a middle manager. But just for the sake of principle, let me say this. Or, say I'm the president of the company. "Just stop." And I'm saying, you're not just talking about losing one worker, and its impact on that worker's life if they're fired. We're talking about the whole corporation going down, and then that affecting the whole society, the way everything is structured. If you'll give me that, Cathee, without going into "that's different than cloning a president."
Al: Your presidents—even if they weren't cloned, the corporations own them anyway. What's the difference? The difference is at least there's some intimacy maybe.
Cathee: Johnny didn't think it was intimate. He thought he was isolated and alone.
Al: OK. I'll give you that. But I just want to get around to this one other point. And see, I'm not just an adolescent thrill-seeker, Cathee. I've thought this out. And I think we're on the same page in a lot of our analysis of our societies. What really attracts me to you and to the Leapers and this whole idea of leaping, is that I don't think this system is going to change. It's like that HAARP machine where everything is built on it. And the bedlam that would happen . . . well, is what happens when governments are overthrown, and new systems of government are tried. Sometimes there's rioting. There's just craziness. And I don't know that mass consciousness as a whole is ready to change. That's what the Leapers have been saying over and over. On these parallels—the one you're on and the one I'm on—mass consciousness created this. It wasn't just corporate heads that created it. They don't have that much power. On the whole parallel, the humans decided to experiment with certain things.
Cathee: Actually, part of what you're saying was part of the Leaper's channeling about corporations even.
Al: Well, I'm part of your we. I'm part of the voice of we too. And from what I see, mass consciousness on our parallels is not going to choose to change. And without that, you can try to pull a few people out of the bottom of the pyramid, but the pyramid is not going to then restructure in a better way. It's just gonna crash, I think.
Now, out of the chaos, out of the rubble, like the Leapers say, maybe we can build something after it crashes. But I think leaping makes total sense. And I think what's preventing me from leaping is not so much my own inherent indigentness. My own incalcitrant amoralism. But your judgment of me. And Jonathan's judgment of me and distrust of me, and fear that I will mess you all up.
From my perspective, I feel like there weren't a lot of good options in my life, but to end up where I did. I won't say I didn't enjoy my work. But I have been frustrated not even knowing who my superiors are, as I've told you. I don't know who's running this whole ship I'm a part of. I really don't. Whether it's some evil non-human force coming through all of it, or if there's some guy at the top, or if there's a committee, or if there's some network like the internet all over the place, I don't know. I don't know if it's human, I don't know if it's evil, I don't know. All I know is, I was given an incredible opportunity from within the mindset, from within my corporation, to run the U.S. government. And I took it.
John was presented with an opportunity to run for office. He was set up with a different set of circumstances where he could legitimately run for office. I don't have that skill set, which I think would have been obvious after awhile, if I'd managed to have been president very long! (laughs) I don't know that I would have made the best one. But my superiors weren't real concerned about that. They just wanted the power, even if it was short-term. Even if they crashed it. And probably with me as president, it wouldn't have done too well! Who knows what would have happened? Looking back, I almost have to laugh at myself that I ever thought I could impersonate Johnny. I will give him that. He was right about that. I mean, what did I know about running a country?
I studied. I tried. But it wouldn't have been me running it anyway, obviously. I would have been a puppet too. I would have been the puppeteer who himself is a puppet. But I would have had quite an experience.
Anyway. So I have been thinking mightily about all this. And I'm getting into a very dangerous situation now, where I am, through your prodding . . . through just even that short conversation at the Park. That's about all we've directly related. Sometimes you'll send me a thought or two (laughs), or channel about me. But I feel like I'm getting to the point where I am desperately questioning a system that I am hopelessly caught in. Like somebody with a bad mortgage who wonders how they're going to live outside of the economic system, except to camp. That's how I feel. I feel like the only way out of the system is to leap. I don't think I can even begin to transform it. Like I said, I don't even know who my superiors are. I wouldn't know who to talk to. The only way out for me is to leap.
And of course, when you get this high up, I'm sure this conversation is being wiretapped on non-physical levels. Of course they're watching everybody I talk to. And I think you'd better be careful about that too. See, I don't know about all that. But I am part of mass consciousness that is now questioning.
Anyway, I'm glad you're willing to talk to me. You know, I could not quit my job and expect to live more than another week. That'd be the max before they'd take me out. You know that.
So yes, Jonathan, I want to tell you, you are getting your feet wet in a system that will want to come after me if I leap. They will. They will try to come after me. Just like Kari couldn't get away, and it wasn't like I was consciously holding onto her. She's in that system too. And it's a voracious system.
So Leapers, do you feel up to this, really? I mean, do you really feel up to this?
Leapers: We absolutely do. We have no hesitation. We've given many channelings about how the strength of a parallel is not built on its government systems and their military might. The strength of a parallel is built on how much meaning it has, and how much love it has. This one is simply fading out for lack of interest. We feel that way, and that's what you're telling us. You're telling us it just doesn't seem that meaningful to be a part of this. You're the one who got to be president, for a few minutes, and even you are questioning whether it was worth it. (laughs) So that's what we feel—it's got to come from the power of love, definitely.
But it's the transition that we're all concerned about. The more that leap, the more there won't be much left to hold it together. The more that leap either through our efforts, or just through their own efforts—through asking for grace in whatever form that comes. That's what we call leaping.
Yours is not a viable system. If this were a plant, the plant would not live even a minute. This kind of separateness from the whole is not viable. It's already, we'd say, a ghostlike kind of parallel compared to many parallels. Jonathan's is a very real, vibrant parallel. And that's why it's easy to find, and maybe even easier to go to if you've got any energy and vibrancy left in yourself.
So Al, we are concerned about you personally. And we are concerned about you as a member of our soul family. And we are concerned about your very key position in helping the whole, in your being able to release the hold on many people hopefully, so that they can choose more freely before they're so traumatized like Karyn. She wants to leap, and she feels like she just can't move very quickly towards that. This is a horrible situation, to see someone like her who is so crippled.
But the more you talk, the more that we get it, that you're crippled too. You're in a similar situation, even though you seem more on top. You're part of the same creature.
It's interesting that we're talking about this on solstice, the time of the void. The time when things have reached the point of death in the cycle, and just the glimmers of something new are being glimpsed for the new year. It's a perfect time to talk about this. We are declaring the systems on both Al's and Cathee's parallels dead. Dead, dead, dead. Not viable. They may look alive, but they are dead. They're just kind of going through the motions.
And a lot of people know it. It's not that there aren't pockets of people who are still thriving. But those are the new seeds. Those pockets are the new seeds of a new way, and you might say, of a new parallel, even there.
Now, we are working here with a specific parallel—Jonathan's. Which is kind of a meta-parallel, because his parallel studies other parallels. But that doesn't have to be where Al goes.
Al, we are very interested in leaping you. And that leap goes even beyond the involvement of Cathee, Peter, Johnny or Jonathan. It can go many different directions. We do think it's possible, though, Al. We think we can get you out. We think these discussions are good, and they may happen between you and other people outside this group, too. But we will say, if you will stay with us in this process, we are offering to leap you.
Al: Good. Good. I think probably enough people have been listening to this conversation, or the organism has, that you'd better get me out soon, man. I feel like I'm the spy that just got caught. It's so strange, it's because I've been thinking about you for almost a year now. Or really, ever since Alan and Kari bumped into each other. She was very steeped in the leap material, and I think that's part of why Alan wanted her so badly. So it's not like they don't know I've been thinking about it. I'd like to think I'm part of the organization, so the organization is now thinking about it. (laughs) But I don't know that it's going to be that easy. I feel like you're making a commitment to me that I don't dare make. I'd be creamed. But you know, I'm thinking about it.
See, this is where I feel very helpless. I can't even begin to think about it, for fear of dying. But to be honest, Johnny's ability to escape my grip certainly made an impression that it's possible. He was just out. I didn't have time to think about it. He was gone. And so, I know you can do that, Leapers. I know you can do that. And I know you're not concerned about this whole organism falling apart without me there. You've just said so.
So maybe you'd better take me now.
Cathee: Peter just asked, how can he go without them following? I'm just feeling like if his resonance is different, they can't resonate that way. And to think of Johnny. Johnny hasn't been followed to the point where . . . you know, he got out.
I think Jonathan's people have been preparing. What I see is like a whole group of people cutting cords. I don't know if Al will recognize himself at the end of this. It's like if you put whirling blades on gigantic electric shavers cutting those cords, just zhoo zhoo zhoo. Blades cutting cords like crazy.
Al: Hold space for me, Peter and Cathee, hold space for me. I need you. Hold space.
Cathee to Peter: I can see myself holding Al's hand, and surrounding both of us with light while this cord cutting is going on. I think basically what we're being asked to do is help hold some sense of selfhood for Al, because it's going to change so drastically. Focus on what we love about Al and Alan and hold some sense of selfhood for him, because he's going to have to just let go.
Cathee: The shears were whirring to deal with the cords coming at Al. And then we embraced Al to hold space for a new selfhood of his to emerge. And he was sobbing. He got to the shore. Jonathan was cording him through us. And I was cording him. And now they've laid him down to rest. Jonathan's people are taking care of him, cocooning him with light. And Johnny's coming to say hi, and set boundaries and have agreements, and forgive.
Johnny knows Al better than anybody in this world does. He's the key to Al surviving this with any sense of selfhood. The leap he just made is extreme, in his sense of self, in culture, in vibration, in every possible way.
Johnny is just sitting with him. It reminds me of when I sat with my client who died paralyzed, trying to help him have some inkling of selfhood after his death. I feel like that's what Johnny's doing, just kind of recognizing Al—anything that still looks similar to who Al was. And helping to in that way, through his recognition of Al, create a new Al with some continuity of selfhood. It's not like he has to think about it. Johnny just kind of carries that in him now. It's like the deva of relationship between them—maybe you can say it that way—is helping to create a new Al. That's really what survived, more than anything—whatever we were able to cord, and whatever Johnny's deva of relationship with him is. Maybe cords are devas of relationship.
Jonathan: Your vibration isn't nearly as close to Al's as Johnny's is, so you can leave now. But you were wonderful to have as intermediaries between the two.
Take care of yourselves, Cathee and Peter, and rest today. I need to put my attention on Al now, so I won't be with you so much. And Malaemata will probably be focused here too. So this might be the first time in weeks that you won't have either of us really with you. Call on us if you need us. And call Kari and let her know, because it's bound to affect Karyn.
I love you so much.
Cathee: I love you so much too.
Leapers: We're not going away. We'll be with you today. We thank you very much. This was huge. This was as big as Johnny getting cloned. We know you don't feel the full impact. You're kind of at a distance vibrationally. But it was huge. And we thank you.
This made everything you've done in channeling us and getting the book on the web worth it, for just this one person even. If no one else leaps, this was worth all that work. He's a kingpin. And we thank you. We thank you.
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